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	<title>Comments on: Some of my best friends are linkspammers (2nd November, 2009)</title>
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		<title>By: A linkspam too far (12th November, 2009) &#124; Geek Feminism Blog</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2009/11/01/some-of-my-best-friends-are-linkspammers-2nd-november-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-2532</link>
		<dc:creator>A linkspam too far (12th November, 2009) &#124; Geek Feminism Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 22:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dr. Susan Niebur has kindly posted a preprint of her published article on the underrepresentation of female planetary scientists in NASA mission teams (which a commenter submitted as a linkspam candidate earlier). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dr. Susan Niebur has kindly posted a preprint of her published article on the underrepresentation of female planetary scientists in NASA mission teams (which a commenter submitted as a linkspam candidate earlier). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Melissa</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2009/11/01/some-of-my-best-friends-are-linkspammers-2nd-november-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-2317</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to be able to talk you down.

I really REALLY want to...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to be able to talk you down.</p>
<p>I really REALLY want to&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2009/11/01/some-of-my-best-friends-are-linkspammers-2nd-november-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-2314</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carla: yes, that&#039;s the same impression i got - especially of the &quot;changing the conversation&quot; post. 

There are plenty of great women who do great work for women in FOSS just by being women working in FOSS (and the more time i spend on geek feminism wiki etc, the less i&#039;m spening writing code) - but is Jono trying to say we should only ever speak of the positive and ignore all the other crap that happens to many people? Or is he just saying that *he* will only talk about the positive? If so, who is going to address sexism issues in ubuntu? has the decision been made at canonical that we need to all ignore it and it&#039;s going to go away?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carla: yes, that&#8217;s the same impression i got &#8211; especially of the &#8220;changing the conversation&#8221; post. </p>
<p>There are plenty of great women who do great work for women in FOSS just by being women working in FOSS (and the more time i spend on geek feminism wiki etc, the less i&#8217;m spening writing code) &#8211; but is Jono trying to say we should only ever speak of the positive and ignore all the other crap that happens to many people? Or is he just saying that *he* will only talk about the positive? If so, who is going to address sexism issues in ubuntu? has the decision been made at canonical that we need to all ignore it and it&#8217;s going to go away?</p>
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		<title>By: Carla Schroder</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2009/11/01/some-of-my-best-friends-are-linkspammers-2nd-november-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-2310</link>
		<dc:creator>Carla Schroder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone please talk me down here. I&#039;m still cheesed at Mark Shuttleworth for being a cowardly hypocrite, and perhaps some of that is spilling over onto Jono Bacon, the Ubuntu community manager. Just like Mark S., he drones on about courtesy and respect and focusing on solutions, and yet to me it reads like excuses for not directly confronting sexism in FOSS, just vague handwaving in the hopes that we uppity chix will go away. Like this:

http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=26848
&#039;Not tolerating the intolerant&#039;
&quot;In a more worrying example, the recent topic of women in Open Source has seen some who are passionate about the debate being labeled as extremist feminists and those who provide alternative viewpoints labelled as sexists.&quot;

This struck me as nice bit of tokenism, and now will we please shut up:

http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/09/30/changing-the-conversation/
&#039;CHANGING THE CONVERSATION&#039;
&quot;I am tired of seemingly only ever reading about the topic of women in Open Source within the context of a conflict scenario which typically spawns a spat over whether specific behaviour is deemed offensive or not. It feels like the topic has become very one-dimensional.&quot;

Thoughts please?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone please talk me down here. I&#8217;m still cheesed at Mark Shuttleworth for being a cowardly hypocrite, and perhaps some of that is spilling over onto Jono Bacon, the Ubuntu community manager. Just like Mark S., he drones on about courtesy and respect and focusing on solutions, and yet to me it reads like excuses for not directly confronting sexism in FOSS, just vague handwaving in the hopes that we uppity chix will go away. Like this:</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=26848" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=26848</a><br />
&#8216;Not tolerating the intolerant&#8217;<br />
&#8220;In a more worrying example, the recent topic of women in Open Source has seen some who are passionate about the debate being labeled as extremist feminists and those who provide alternative viewpoints labelled as sexists.&#8221;</p>
<p>This struck me as nice bit of tokenism, and now will we please shut up:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/09/30/changing-the-conversation/" rel="nofollow">http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/09/30/changing-the-conversation/</a><br />
&#8216;CHANGING THE CONVERSATION&#8217;<br />
&#8220;I am tired of seemingly only ever reading about the topic of women in Open Source within the context of a conflict scenario which typically spawns a spat over whether specific behaviour is deemed offensive or not. It feels like the topic has become very one-dimensional.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thoughts please?</p>
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		<title>By: jadelennox</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2009/11/01/some-of-my-best-friends-are-linkspammers-2nd-november-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-2305</link>
		<dc:creator>jadelennox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For next linkspam: &lt;a href=&quot;http://faculty.ucmerced.edu/mkhine/michellekhine.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Michelle Khine&lt;/a&gt; of UC Merced &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.technologyreview.com/TR35/Profile.aspx?TRID=764&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;couldn&#039;t afford the specialized equipment used to make microfluidic chips so she made her own out of Shrinky Dinks&lt;/a&gt;. AWESOME profile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For next linkspam: <a href="http://faculty.ucmerced.edu/mkhine/michellekhine.html" rel="nofollow">Michelle Khine</a> of UC Merced <a href="http://www.technologyreview.com/TR35/Profile.aspx?TRID=764" rel="nofollow">couldn&#8217;t afford the specialized equipment used to make microfluidic chips so she made her own out of Shrinky Dinks</a>. AWESOME profile.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothea Salo</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2009/11/01/some-of-my-best-friends-are-linkspammers-2nd-november-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-2304</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorothea Salo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No charge if she uses her post-peer-review manuscript. Trust me, I&#039;m a librarian. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No charge if she uses her post-peer-review manuscript. Trust me, I&#8217;m a librarian. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Niehof</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2009/11/01/some-of-my-best-friends-are-linkspammers-2nd-november-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-2302</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Niehof</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe it&#039;s still hideously expensive (I&#039;m seeing $3000 in random Googling), and I don&#039;t know if her NASA contract would cover it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe it&#8217;s still hideously expensive (I&#8217;m seeing $3000 in random Googling), and I don&#8217;t know if her NASA contract would cover it.</p>
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		<title>By: Leigh Honeywell</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2009/11/01/some-of-my-best-friends-are-linkspammers-2nd-november-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-2295</link>
		<dc:creator>Leigh Honeywell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 03:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeahhhh, that was the impression I got :/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeahhhh, that was the impression I got :/</p>
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		<title>By: Links for October 30th through November 3rd</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2009/11/01/some-of-my-best-friends-are-linkspammers-2nd-november-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-2291</link>
		<dc:creator>Links for October 30th through November 3rd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 21:21:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Some of my best friends are linkspammers (2nd November, 2009) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: attentat</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2009/11/01/some-of-my-best-friends-are-linkspammers-2nd-november-2009/comment-page-1/#comment-2289</link>
		<dc:creator>attentat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, I kinda get the impression that Casey Johnston&#039;s piece is being played for laughs at the expense of gamer women, not at gamer douchebags.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, I kinda get the impression that Casey Johnston&#8217;s piece is being played for laughs at the expense of gamer women, not at gamer douchebags.</p>
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