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	<title>Comments on: Linkspamming &#8217;round the clock (9th January, 2010)</title>
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		<title>By: JFM</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2010/01/09/linkspamming-round-the-clock-9th-january-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-3490</link>
		<dc:creator>JFM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seen on Not Exactly Rocket Science: &lt;a href=&quot;http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2010/01/how_sexual_objectification_silences_women_-_the_male_glance.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How sexual objectification silences women: the male glance as psychological muzzle&lt;/a&gt;. The comments are full of  fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seen on Not Exactly Rocket Science: <a href="http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2010/01/how_sexual_objectification_silences_women_-_the_male_glance.php" rel="nofollow">How sexual objectification silences women: the male glance as psychological muzzle</a>. The comments are full of  fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2010/01/09/linkspamming-round-the-clock-9th-january-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-3465</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 06:11:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a little bit hesitant about how to put this, because I have breasts myself and generally wear bras and moreover haven&#039;t had cancer. Women who&#039;ve had mastectomies for treatment or prophylaxis of cancer will each have an individual story and decision, but... in aggregate, there has been some feminist criticism (from survivors) of various aspects of reconstruction, including its normalisation and thus soft coercion by society and by medical practitioners (ie assuming you&#039;ll reconstruct or conceal unless you state otherwise). And if one has a reconstruction I still suspect many (not all) survivors have a more complex relationship with their bra contents than &quot;yay boobs and pretty boob housing&quot; afterwards.

It thus still strikes me as problematic from that angle to make the bra-wearing case the &quot;normal&quot; state of affairs in this meme, in addition to Alexis&#039;s point about equating &quot;am a woman&quot; with &quot;have breasts and like to wear bras&quot; for some other women.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a little bit hesitant about how to put this, because I have breasts myself and generally wear bras and moreover haven&#8217;t had cancer. Women who&#8217;ve had mastectomies for treatment or prophylaxis of cancer will each have an individual story and decision, but&#8230; in aggregate, there has been some feminist criticism (from survivors) of various aspects of reconstruction, including its normalisation and thus soft coercion by society and by medical practitioners (ie assuming you&#8217;ll reconstruct or conceal unless you state otherwise). And if one has a reconstruction I still suspect many (not all) survivors have a more complex relationship with their bra contents than &#8220;yay boobs and pretty boob housing&#8221; afterwards.</p>
<p>It thus still strikes me as problematic from that angle to make the bra-wearing case the &#8220;normal&#8221; state of affairs in this meme, in addition to Alexis&#8217;s point about equating &#8220;am a woman&#8221; with &#8220;have breasts and like to wear bras&#8221; for some other women.</p>
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		<title>By: Mackenzie</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2010/01/09/linkspamming-round-the-clock-9th-january-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-3464</link>
		<dc:creator>Mackenzie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 05:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In their defence, a lot of women get implants after a breast cancer mastectomy.  Some even get implants as part of the same surgery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In their defence, a lot of women get implants after a breast cancer mastectomy.  Some even get implants as part of the same surgery.</p>
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		<title>By: koipond</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2010/01/09/linkspamming-round-the-clock-9th-january-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-3463</link>
		<dc:creator>koipond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 05:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Diversity at what cost link has a lot of great fail in the comments.  There&#039;s a bit of a discussion going on, but it&#039;s also full of dudes going, &quot;See, that&#039;s why we don&#039;t need to care about the disparity of women in FLOSS!&quot;

I hear the sentiment, but it&#039;s kind of missing the point.  No one is saying &quot;Diversity at all costs&quot; where they want to force people in who don&#039;t want to be there.  It&#039;s more a case of trying to break down the barriers that prevent people who might be interested but see a toxic morass and refuse to swim in the pool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Diversity at what cost link has a lot of great fail in the comments.  There&#8217;s a bit of a discussion going on, but it&#8217;s also full of dudes going, &#8220;See, that&#8217;s why we don&#8217;t need to care about the disparity of women in FLOSS!&#8221;</p>
<p>I hear the sentiment, but it&#8217;s kind of missing the point.  No one is saying &#8220;Diversity at all costs&#8221; where they want to force people in who don&#8217;t want to be there.  It&#8217;s more a case of trying to break down the barriers that prevent people who might be interested but see a toxic morass and refuse to swim in the pool.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2010/01/09/linkspamming-round-the-clock-9th-january-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-3461</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 03:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely true. In this particular case it struck me that failing to be aware that survivors of &lt;em&gt;the disease you&#039;re raising awareness about&lt;/em&gt; may be especially unlikely to be unable play your game was an especial fail, but there&#039;s plenty of assumptions about women&#039;s bodies and preferences in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely true. In this particular case it struck me that failing to be aware that survivors of <em>the disease you&#8217;re raising awareness about</em> may be especially unlikely to be unable play your game was an especial fail, but there&#8217;s plenty of assumptions about women&#8217;s bodies and preferences in it.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexis</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2010/01/09/linkspamming-round-the-clock-9th-january-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-3460</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 03:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;q&gt;The â€œwhat colour is your bra?â€ breast cancer awareness meme on Facebook othersâ€¦ women who have had mastectomies!&lt;/q&gt;

And indeed, any woman who doesn&#039;t wear a bra for whatever reason - trans women whose breasts don&#039;t (yet) require a bra, for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><q>The â€œwhat colour is your bra?â€ breast cancer awareness meme on Facebook othersâ€¦ women who have had mastectomies!</q></p>
<p>And indeed, any woman who doesn&#8217;t wear a bra for whatever reason &#8211; trans women whose breasts don&#8217;t (yet) require a bra, for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2010/01/09/linkspamming-round-the-clock-9th-january-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-3459</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks!

I&#039;ve wondered what to do about adding carnivals to the linkspams: I&#039;ve tended to stick to the global feminism one in order to avoid being all-carnivals-all-the-time. What do people think though? Is there some way that GF could highlight carnivals and links of general anti-oppression interest without burying geek stuff too deep?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve wondered what to do about adding carnivals to the linkspams: I&#8217;ve tended to stick to the global feminism one in order to avoid being all-carnivals-all-the-time. What do people think though? Is there some way that GF could highlight carnivals and links of general anti-oppression interest without burying geek stuff too deep?</p>
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		<title>By: PharaohKatt</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2010/01/09/linkspamming-round-the-clock-9th-january-2010/comment-page-1/#comment-3458</link>
		<dc:creator>PharaohKatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 01:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to let you know that the 20th Down Under Feminist Carnival is up now &lt;a href=&quot;http://morethansides.blogspot.com/2010/01/20th-down-under-feminist-carnival.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Enjoy! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to let you know that the 20th Down Under Feminist Carnival is up now <a href="http://morethansides.blogspot.com/2010/01/20th-down-under-feminist-carnival.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Enjoy! :)</p>
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