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		<title>By: Leigh Honeywell</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2010/03/01/quick-hit-why-strong-female-characters-are-bad-for-women/comment-page-1/#comment-3943</link>
		<dc:creator>Leigh Honeywell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 11:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DO WANT!</description>
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		<title>By: Perich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Perich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 14:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the love!  Mlawski&#039;s article is one of our most popular; it really seems to have struck a chord.</description>
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		<title>By: takingitoutside</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2010/03/01/quick-hit-why-strong-female-characters-are-bad-for-women/comment-page-1/#comment-3867</link>
		<dc:creator>takingitoutside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 17:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Terri put it very well, but I thought I&#039;d suggest Melissa Silverstein&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://womenandhollywood.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Women and Hollywood&lt;/a&gt; blog.  She&#039;s a film marketer who specializes in the female audience, and she often takes a hard-numbers approach.  For example, her &lt;a href=&quot;http://womenandhollywood.com/statistics-on-women-and-hollywood/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;statistics page&lt;/a&gt; shows that in 2008 only 9% of film directors were women.  On top of that, &lt;a href=&quot;http://womenandhollywood.com/2010/02/24/2009-was-no-year-of-the-woman-in-hollywood/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in another post&lt;/a&gt; she notes that in 2009 women made up only 7% of directors!   That may be an improvement on 1960 (though I kind of doubt it), but it&#039;s pathetic, any way you look at it.  She has numbers for a number of other jobs - screenwriter, producer, et cetera - and for TV work as well, and they&#039;re all bad.  Nothing even approaches 50%.  In fact, only one or two (low ranking) positions even hit 40%.  Silverstein blogs a lot more stats on things like female-centric films up for awards that might surprise you.  They certainly surprised me, and I was pretty cynical before I came across her blog.

I have to admit, I thought Mlawski was rather positive about it all; she did call out a few bad movies, but she gave even more &lt;i&gt;good&lt;/i&gt; examples, like Zhang Ziyi in &lt;i&gt;Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon&lt;/i&gt;, as guidelines for future thought.  I found the article very thought-provoking.  And funny.  Very funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Terri put it very well, but I thought I&#8217;d suggest Melissa Silverstein&#8217;s <a href="http://womenandhollywood.com/" rel="nofollow">Women and Hollywood</a> blog.  She&#8217;s a film marketer who specializes in the female audience, and she often takes a hard-numbers approach.  For example, her <a href="http://womenandhollywood.com/statistics-on-women-and-hollywood/" rel="nofollow">statistics page</a> shows that in 2008 only 9% of film directors were women.  On top of that, <a href="http://womenandhollywood.com/2010/02/24/2009-was-no-year-of-the-woman-in-hollywood/" rel="nofollow">in another post</a> she notes that in 2009 women made up only 7% of directors!   That may be an improvement on 1960 (though I kind of doubt it), but it&#8217;s pathetic, any way you look at it.  She has numbers for a number of other jobs &#8211; screenwriter, producer, et cetera &#8211; and for TV work as well, and they&#8217;re all bad.  Nothing even approaches 50%.  In fact, only one or two (low ranking) positions even hit 40%.  Silverstein blogs a lot more stats on things like female-centric films up for awards that might surprise you.  They certainly surprised me, and I was pretty cynical before I came across her blog.</p>
<p>I have to admit, I thought Mlawski was rather positive about it all; she did call out a few bad movies, but she gave even more <i>good</i> examples, like Zhang Ziyi in <i>Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon</i>, as guidelines for future thought.  I found the article very thought-provoking.  And funny.  Very funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Terri</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2010/03/01/quick-hit-why-strong-female-characters-are-bad-for-women/comment-page-1/#comment-3864</link>
		<dc:creator>Terri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the point is that the blockbusters and proponents thereof seem to think, &quot;oh, well, there&#039;s this chick, and she&#039;s strong... so we&#039;re totally helping!&quot; and this article is basically saying &quot;uh... no&quot;

The fact that there exist decent movies with real complex characters (as the author of the article notes as well) doesn&#039;t mean that this misunderstanding isn&#039;t harmful and potentially pervasive.  I&#039;ve seen it come up in other things too, like amazon recommending comics to me that turn out to be really terrible with little more than a &quot;well, she&#039;s (physically) strong and a girl&quot; to connect it to the rest of my profile.

Explaining that nuance with hilarity is actually a lot more effective than just another list of good examples, IMO. Although it is nice to have both, and it&#039;s good to think, &quot;hey, at least there is some progress,&quot; too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the point is that the blockbusters and proponents thereof seem to think, &#8220;oh, well, there&#8217;s this chick, and she&#8217;s strong&#8230; so we&#8217;re totally helping!&#8221; and this article is basically saying &#8220;uh&#8230; no&#8221;</p>
<p>The fact that there exist decent movies with real complex characters (as the author of the article notes as well) doesn&#8217;t mean that this misunderstanding isn&#8217;t harmful and potentially pervasive.  I&#8217;ve seen it come up in other things too, like amazon recommending comics to me that turn out to be really terrible with little more than a &#8220;well, she&#8217;s (physically) strong and a girl&#8221; to connect it to the rest of my profile.</p>
<p>Explaining that nuance with hilarity is actually a lot more effective than just another list of good examples, IMO. Although it is nice to have both, and it&#8217;s good to think, &#8220;hey, at least there is some progress,&#8221; too.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think mlawski&#039;s article is way off base - not about Transformers, but about the state of &quot;strong female characters&quot; in Hollywood in general. Yes - there are still film-makers who tie the damsel to the proverbial train tracks... in pointless popcorn flicks. (It makes you wonder if there was a train-shaped Decepticon designed for just such a scene)

It&#039;s easy to jump all over a summer fantasy movie for it&#039;s lack of nuanced characters, but elsewhere, Hollywood has &lt;i&gt;never been so progressive&lt;/i&gt;. There are more female directors churning out award-winning films; more roles for women featuring powerful, incredible characters; more independent production houses managed by women; more celebrated women scriptwriters; etc, etc - than ever before in the history of film.

To take a short list of garbage films (some from the 1970s? Come on.) and rag on them for being chauvinist only proves that mlawski has terrible taste in movies. Arguably, they&#039;re popular films, but that doesn&#039;t make them good, nor does it imply the directors are particularly capable. You should instead be celebrating the tremendous inroads into the industry made in recent years by women in Hollywood.

Just take a look at this year&#039;s oscar nominations! Incredible recent films featuring female characters who are empowered, emotionally complex, and self-determining:

The Hurt Locker - (by superstar director Kathryn Bigelow!)
Precious
Julie and Julia
The Last Station
Nine
Coraline
Up In The Air
The Young Victoria
Coco Before Chanel
An Education
The Blind Side

Not to mention the successive victories from previous years - Monster, Monster&#039;s Ball, Juno, etc, etc, etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think mlawski&#8217;s article is way off base &#8211; not about Transformers, but about the state of &#8220;strong female characters&#8221; in Hollywood in general. Yes &#8211; there are still film-makers who tie the damsel to the proverbial train tracks&#8230; in pointless popcorn flicks. (It makes you wonder if there was a train-shaped Decepticon designed for just such a scene)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to jump all over a summer fantasy movie for it&#8217;s lack of nuanced characters, but elsewhere, Hollywood has <i>never been so progressive</i>. There are more female directors churning out award-winning films; more roles for women featuring powerful, incredible characters; more independent production houses managed by women; more celebrated women scriptwriters; etc, etc &#8211; than ever before in the history of film.</p>
<p>To take a short list of garbage films (some from the 1970s? Come on.) and rag on them for being chauvinist only proves that mlawski has terrible taste in movies. Arguably, they&#8217;re popular films, but that doesn&#8217;t make them good, nor does it imply the directors are particularly capable. You should instead be celebrating the tremendous inroads into the industry made in recent years by women in Hollywood.</p>
<p>Just take a look at this year&#8217;s oscar nominations! Incredible recent films featuring female characters who are empowered, emotionally complex, and self-determining:</p>
<p>The Hurt Locker &#8211; (by superstar director Kathryn Bigelow!)<br />
Precious<br />
Julie and Julia<br />
The Last Station<br />
Nine<br />
Coraline<br />
Up In The Air<br />
The Young Victoria<br />
Coco Before Chanel<br />
An Education<br />
The Blind Side</p>
<p>Not to mention the successive victories from previous years &#8211; Monster, Monster&#8217;s Ball, Juno, etc, etc, etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Link(s): Mon, Mar 1st, 12pm to Wed, Mar 3rd,Â 5pm &#124; Your Revolution (The Blog!)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Link(s): Mon, Mar 1st, 12pm to Wed, Mar 3rd,Â 5pm &#124; Your Revolution (The Blog!)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 06:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Restructure!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Restructure!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HTML fail. That was supposed to be in a blockquote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;I think the major problem here is that women were clamoring for â€œstrong female characters,â€ and male writers misunderstood.  They thought the feminists meant [Strong Female] Characters.  The feminists meant [Strong Characters], Female.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HTML fail. That was supposed to be in a blockquote:</p>
<blockquote><p>I think the major problem here is that women were clamoring for â€œstrong female characters,â€ and male writers misunderstood.  They thought the feminists meant [Strong Female] Characters.  The feminists meant [Strong Characters], Female.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Restructure!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Restructure!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 02:52:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this! The article is awesome, and the snarky (and hot) pictures are great in themselves.

I think the major problem here is that women were clamoring for â€œstrong female characters,â€ and male writers misunderstood.  They thought the feminists meant [Strong Female] Characters.  The feminists meant [Strong Characters], Female.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this! The article is awesome, and the snarky (and hot) pictures are great in themselves.</p>
<p>I think the major problem here is that women were clamoring for â€œstrong female characters,â€ and male writers misunderstood.  They thought the feminists meant [Strong Female] Characters.  The feminists meant [Strong Characters], Female.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tangent:  Thinkgeek has a &quot;Self-Rescuing Princess&quot; t-shirt.  It seems appropriate here.</description>
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		<title>By: Terri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t particularly disagree, but just to be clear, that&#039;s explicitly NOT what the linked article is saying.  Basically, it says being hot is fine, but being &quot;strong&quot; (smart, physically adept, etc.)  just so that the woman&#039;s more of a catch for the guy in the end (e.g. to increase hotness) is not what we really need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t particularly disagree, but just to be clear, that&#8217;s explicitly NOT what the linked article is saying.  Basically, it says being hot is fine, but being &#8220;strong&#8221; (smart, physically adept, etc.)  just so that the woman&#8217;s more of a catch for the guy in the end (e.g. to increase hotness) is not what we really need.</p>
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