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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2010/03/03/babies-boobs-and-rooms-full-of-geek-men/comment-page-1/#comment-3889</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 02:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for me it&#039;s gadgets - first an ipod touch and later an android phone to keep me entertained during breast or bottle feeding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for me it&#8217;s gadgets &#8211; first an ipod touch and later an android phone to keep me entertained during breast or bottle feeding.</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2010/03/03/babies-boobs-and-rooms-full-of-geek-men/comment-page-1/#comment-3888</link>
		<dc:creator>Brenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 02:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard about an incident at foo camp - if we&#039;re talking the same incident, i gather the grumpy &quot;get off my lawn&quot; kid hater was ignored.

Jenine and Nat&#039;s primaryschool aged kid pretty much runs the Kiwi foo camp now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard about an incident at foo camp &#8211; if we&#8217;re talking the same incident, i gather the grumpy &#8220;get off my lawn&#8221; kid hater was ignored.</p>
<p>Jenine and Nat&#8217;s primaryschool aged kid pretty much runs the Kiwi foo camp now.</p>
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		<title>By: Yatima</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yatima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 22:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only really depressing rejection I had taking a kid along to a geek event was at FOO Camp, believe it or not. Meh.

I sort of make a point of being out about motherhood at work, especially because my work&#039;s so corporate, and especially because a colleague who left on maternity leave not long after I had Julia never came back to work after that. There was certainly no real expectation that I would come back, either; let alone that I would come back energized, kicking ass and taking names, which is what I actually did. I pumped at work and was defiantly out about that as well.

The childcare issue has eased off dramatically as the kids have reached 7 and 4 and have developed geek interests of their own. Claire does martial arts and math circle, and Jules is perfectly happy to visit science museums and Maker Faire. It helps to be in SF, and it helps way more to have a tight community of geeky parents with compatibly-aged kids.

That said I am frequently, frequently reading blogs or LiveJournal while the children play around my feet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only really depressing rejection I had taking a kid along to a geek event was at FOO Camp, believe it or not. Meh.</p>
<p>I sort of make a point of being out about motherhood at work, especially because my work&#8217;s so corporate, and especially because a colleague who left on maternity leave not long after I had Julia never came back to work after that. There was certainly no real expectation that I would come back, either; let alone that I would come back energized, kicking ass and taking names, which is what I actually did. I pumped at work and was defiantly out about that as well.</p>
<p>The childcare issue has eased off dramatically as the kids have reached 7 and 4 and have developed geek interests of their own. Claire does martial arts and math circle, and Jules is perfectly happy to visit science museums and Maker Faire. It helps to be in SF, and it helps way more to have a tight community of geeky parents with compatibly-aged kids.</p>
<p>That said I am frequently, frequently reading blogs or LiveJournal while the children play around my feet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonquil</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2010/03/03/babies-boobs-and-rooms-full-of-geek-men/comment-page-1/#comment-3875</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonquil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did a hella lot of one-handed typing while nursing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did a hella lot of one-handed typing while nursing!</p>
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		<title>By: Jonquil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonquil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When my two were tiny, I basically used the Internet to get the adult geeky communication my day-to-day life was sorely lacking.  I eventually began telecommuting to a software company on the opposite coast, doing most of my work at home.  So my kids have seen Mom geeking out (and Dad) since they were babies.  Ask me some time about my toddler&#039;s discovering the Resource Manager on a mac....

I will say that there was a sad moment when our middle-schooler son came home saying &quot;Mom, they called me a geek at school!&quot; to which we replied, &quot;Honey, your mom&#039;s a geek, your dad&#039;s a geek, your sister&#039;s a geek, you&#039;re pretty much doomed&quot;, and then talked about what &quot;geek&quot; meant to us.

Nowadays he embraces the title, using it, as I do, to mean &quot;person who&#039;s really interested in technology/geeky things&quot;.  He&#039;s severely ill and at home, and the Internet is his lifeline to the broader world and to friendships.  His (now-former, thank God) therapist used to go on and on and on about the importance of restricting Internet time, and never really registered our statements that Internet time *was* the family social life, that we considered it a valuable part of our children&#039;s social lives, and that we didn&#039;t consider introversion a bad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When my two were tiny, I basically used the Internet to get the adult geeky communication my day-to-day life was sorely lacking.  I eventually began telecommuting to a software company on the opposite coast, doing most of my work at home.  So my kids have seen Mom geeking out (and Dad) since they were babies.  Ask me some time about my toddler&#8217;s discovering the Resource Manager on a mac&#8230;.</p>
<p>I will say that there was a sad moment when our middle-schooler son came home saying &#8220;Mom, they called me a geek at school!&#8221; to which we replied, &#8220;Honey, your mom&#8217;s a geek, your dad&#8217;s a geek, your sister&#8217;s a geek, you&#8217;re pretty much doomed&#8221;, and then talked about what &#8220;geek&#8221; meant to us.</p>
<p>Nowadays he embraces the title, using it, as I do, to mean &#8220;person who&#8217;s really interested in technology/geeky things&#8221;.  He&#8217;s severely ill and at home, and the Internet is his lifeline to the broader world and to friendships.  His (now-former, thank God) therapist used to go on and on and on about the importance of restricting Internet time, and never really registered our statements that Internet time *was* the family social life, that we considered it a valuable part of our children&#8217;s social lives, and that we didn&#8217;t consider introversion a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristin King</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristin King</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 19:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, when I was breastfeeding I mostly didn&#039;t have time or mental energy for cons or geeky events, though I did turn up at a Doctor Who fan club meeting and nurse in another room. (I had so much trouble with nursing at first that I pretty much had to take off my shirt to do it.) Once I got more comfortable nursing, I nursed in public and would have done it at geeky events too.

I love taking my kids (4 and 6) to cons, except that then I can&#039;t go to panels because the kids would have too much trouble sitting through them. I heard Norwescon once had childcare but no longer does - some insurance issue? Unfortunate.  So I leave them home with my spouse when I can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, when I was breastfeeding I mostly didn&#8217;t have time or mental energy for cons or geeky events, though I did turn up at a Doctor Who fan club meeting and nurse in another room. (I had so much trouble with nursing at first that I pretty much had to take off my shirt to do it.) Once I got more comfortable nursing, I nursed in public and would have done it at geeky events too.</p>
<p>I love taking my kids (4 and 6) to cons, except that then I can&#8217;t go to panels because the kids would have too much trouble sitting through them. I heard Norwescon once had childcare but no longer does &#8211; some insurance issue? Unfortunate.  So I leave them home with my spouse when I can.</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;The biggest enemy of hackerspaces&#8221; &#124; Geek Feminism Blog</title>
		<link>http://geekfeminism.org/2010/03/03/babies-boobs-and-rooms-full-of-geek-men/comment-page-1/#comment-3865</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;The biggest enemy of hackerspaces&#8221; &#124; Geek Feminism Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 15:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8211; Wondering how to make family fit into your geekdom? You should check out Mary&#8217;s post just before this one about mothering and geeking.      Bookmark, Share etc: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8211; Wondering how to make family fit into your geekdom? You should check out Mary&#8217;s post just before this one about mothering and geeking.      Bookmark, Share etc: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Joyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m so happy I found this blog.  I agree with Sara.  Finding support online certainly saved me in terms on new mommy isolation.  I took my newly adopted little one ( adopted at 12 mo) to a geek event my company was sponsoring and people fawned all over her initially but in the end I felt it created a divide between me and the other geeks.   I am no longer as &quot;in the know&quot; or current.  But hey,  I can talk your ear off about organic food, diapers and the virtue of glass or steel bottles!   I&#039;m afraid I lost some geek street cred becoming a mommy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m so happy I found this blog.  I agree with Sara.  Finding support online certainly saved me in terms on new mommy isolation.  I took my newly adopted little one ( adopted at 12 mo) to a geek event my company was sponsoring and people fawned all over her initially but in the end I felt it created a divide between me and the other geeks.   I am no longer as &#8220;in the know&#8221; or current.  But hey,  I can talk your ear off about organic food, diapers and the virtue of glass or steel bottles!   I&#8217;m afraid I lost some geek street cred becoming a mommy.</p>
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		<title>By: Tansy Rayner Roberts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tansy Rayner Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 09:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I chaired a science fiction convention while breastfeeding a 5 month old baby!  After that, I was pretty relaxed about breastfeeding *anywhere*...

Also the awesome thing is that, while running a con, fewer people bring petty complaints to you when you have a baby strapped to your chest!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I chaired a science fiction convention while breastfeeding a 5 month old baby!  After that, I was pretty relaxed about breastfeeding *anywhere*&#8230;</p>
<p>Also the awesome thing is that, while running a con, fewer people bring petty complaints to you when you have a baby strapped to your chest!</p>
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		<title>By: Brenda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brenda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 04:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My turn for photos. Here&#039;s me breastfeeding a 5 week old Caseyt at linux.conf.au / LCA2010
http://www.lca2010.org.nz/images/event-photos/dsc_30248.jpg

here&#039;s us again, during the hackfest at DrupalSouth
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lizhenry/4297457542

but you asked - is parenting the same? I have noticed some equality differences, though there&#039;s little to be done about it. Most of my fellow geeks who have had babies have continued to go to user groups, hackfests, and various beer-related geek events. These I can&#039;t do so much. I gotta get home by 7pm at the latest because i&#039;m the food source. Likewise while pregnant i just didn&#039;t have the stamina for things like Perl Mongers which finish past 8pm.

I wanted to attend the post webstock tweetup a couple weeks ago, but 8pm - 9pm was much too late for someone who needs to get up at 3am to feed a newborn. My male geek friends didn&#039;t have this limitation on their geeking while their children were newborn.

Exceptions for one geek friend who has a child allergic to breastmilk - so either parent can feed the same stuff. 

Boobs - one thing still holding back equality in parenting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My turn for photos. Here&#8217;s me breastfeeding a 5 week old Caseyt at linux.conf.au / LCA2010<br />
<a href="http://www.lca2010.org.nz/images/event-photos/dsc_30248.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.lca2010.org.nz/images/event-photos/dsc_30248.jpg</a></p>
<p>here&#8217;s us again, during the hackfest at DrupalSouth<br />
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/lizhenry/4297457542" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/lizhenry/4297457542</a></p>
<p>but you asked &#8211; is parenting the same? I have noticed some equality differences, though there&#8217;s little to be done about it. Most of my fellow geeks who have had babies have continued to go to user groups, hackfests, and various beer-related geek events. These I can&#8217;t do so much. I gotta get home by 7pm at the latest because i&#8217;m the food source. Likewise while pregnant i just didn&#8217;t have the stamina for things like Perl Mongers which finish past 8pm.</p>
<p>I wanted to attend the post webstock tweetup a couple weeks ago, but 8pm &#8211; 9pm was much too late for someone who needs to get up at 3am to feed a newborn. My male geek friends didn&#8217;t have this limitation on their geeking while their children were newborn.</p>
<p>Exceptions for one geek friend who has a child allergic to breastmilk &#8211; so either parent can feed the same stuff. </p>
<p>Boobs &#8211; one thing still holding back equality in parenting.</p>
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