This week’s open thread is hosted by this adorable scientist bunny from Cute Overload:
Feel free to discuss animals doing science, fuzzy things, or whatever else strikes your fancy.
Last year I got some buttons made, and they were a hoot:
In anticipation of WisCon, I’m making a bunch more geekfeminism.org buttons.Â So far I have:
… but that’s it.Â I know we have a bunch of other funny slogans and memes going around.Â I’d like to get a bunch of different buttons made, so suggest away!
In an older post I just came across over at The Sexist, there’s a great discussion about the idea of “having a thick skin” in the context of male-dominated workplaces as well as street harassment.Â We’ve talked about this stuff before; it relates to the dismissing tactic of calling women “over-sensitive.”Â Sexist reader Chloe Angyal writes about her graduate research into women working on Wall Street trading floors.Â I’m having a tough time not just copying her whole post over, it’s really great…. but here’s the final point, which really hit home for me:
The irony is that these women donâ€™t need to call attention to the fact that theyâ€™re women â€” theyâ€™re being sexually harassed for that very reason. Women who accept sexual harassment, be it at work or on the street, have â€œthick skinâ€ and are â€œreasonable.â€ Women who donâ€™t are â€œvictimsâ€ who â€œcanâ€™t hack it.â€ At work women are faced with two equally unpleasant choices: suffer harassment or discrimination in silence, or speak up and be branded a thin-skinned victim who makes all the other women look bad. On the street, speaking up comes with the added danger of a physical attack. Itâ€™s a no-win situation that we face on the way to work, on the way home, and every moment in between. â€œThick skin,â€ as handy a survival method as it might be, is not a solution: the solution is to change the acceptability of harassment and discrimination.
In the comments, Occam makes a great point about how this relates to the policing of women’s boundaries:
This is a great point about how the choice is between â€œthick skinnedâ€ women or women who â€œmake themselves the victimâ€. This cast actually punishes women who set and define their boundaries as â€œvictimsâ€, when in fact setting and defining boundaries is the opposite of victim behavior. In fact, those rewarded in a male dominated environment are the people who refuse to draw a line at objectionable behavior. Itâ€™s another case of rewarding women who allow themselves to be dominated, and punishing women who expect to be treated with respect.
This week’s Open Thread is hosted by an adorable LED heart:
I’m getting into podcasts now that I have a phone with Google Listen on it.Â I’d love to hear about geeky podcasts other folks are listening to.Â They don’t have to be explicitly feminist, but I’m having a hard time with finding ones which don’t sound like a particularly vile IRC channel read out loud, rape jokes and drunken hosts and all that.Â They don’t necessarily need to be explicitly feminist, but yeah… women friendly is a good minimum bar.Â I’ll start off in the comments.
This being an open thread you’re welcome to talk about blinky lights or whatever else suits your fancy today, as well.
Over at Tiger Beatdown, Sady and Amanda take on rock and roll, relating the sexism in rock subcultures to other subcultures and “outsider” groups:
AMANDA: I see the same sad sexism in a lot of different subcultures, and I think women are often drawn to these spaces because theyâ€™re outside of the mainstream â€” because the mainstream marginalizes them, but perhaps in a different way than it does sensitive rocking Kurt Cobain haircut boys.
AMANDA: So on the one hand, youâ€™d think the subculture would be totally interested in accepting women â€” how rejecting of mainstream values is that! â€” but on the other hand, the subculture is also about building a culture around the primacy of the sensitive rocking Kurt Cobain haircut boyâ€™s particular flavor of marginalization, and when women come in with some other shit to talk about it tends to threaten that dynamic.
On different degrees of othering:
AMANDA: BUT. I wonder if some of the disconnect here is in these guys thinking that their asymmetrical haircut or interest in Magic: The Gathering is like the most intensely othering experience that a human can have? And are unaware that there are some other people around who may have that experience of being othered no matter which subculture they attempt to access.
And the part that struck closest to home for me, from the part of the discussion about Renfolk and other such nerdy subcultures:
SADY: Oh, man! And, yes: I think we even did a Ye Olde Sexist Beatdowne, about this, in Oldyn Tymes! My experience of lady-nerds is that they tend to be huge and fairly hardcore feminists. And I was like, â€œthatâ€™s funny, I never thought of feminism as a particularly nerdy thing,â€ but then I realized (a) I was on the Internet, and (b) male nerd subculture tends to be like INTENSE in its misogyny! Lady-nerds seriously grab on to feminism like it is a buoy and they are drowning, because it is! And they sort of are! And women in music sometimes do the same thing, see: Riot Grrrl, duh. Formed in reaction to dudes with floppy Kurt Cobain haircuts, at least one of whom was ACTUALLY KURT COBAIN. (Though he was a huge feminist, God bless.)
I’d love to hear what kinda of awesome hardware projects other folks are working on in the comments here… or as with other open threads, anything else that’s on your mind.
In a discussion a while back on Twitter, a friend asked me to point her to other geek feminists on there. I could think of lots of people on both Twitter and the various StatusNet-based services like identi.ca who I know through this blog, LinuxChix, Ubuntu Women, and other projects, but I figured it would be nice to have folks self-identify, and possibly what they tweet / dent about if so inclined. I’ll kick it off with my own in the comments!
These are the voyages of the starship Adorable, presented as a unicorn chaser to yesterday’s awfulness.Â Last weekend at miniSoOnCon, the Southern Ontario hackerspace festival, I got to meet and work with with a couple of kids who are well on their way to growing up to be the next generation of open source hackers.Â Meet Amy and Zoe:
They’ve inspired me to submit a talk to Ontario [GNU] Linux Fest about teaching free software to kids with the Arduino.Â I’ll be posting a video of that later.Â Have a great weekend and Canadian Thanksgiving, everyone!
Leigh Honeywell is a computer security geek, hackerspace organizer, Ubuntu member, open source advocate, and probably the easiest-to-spot cyclist in all of Toronto due to her pink bike/helmet/hair combination.
Following on the heels of highly successful workshops in July and August in San Francisco, there are two upcoming free workshops for women and allies (including men, if they are invited by a female friend) who are interested in getting started in Ruby on Rails development. The one in San Francisco is already full, but there is one coming up on Oct 16-17 in Boston as well.
Also worth a shout-out is the awesome RailsBridge community – check them out too!